Президент Грузии - Михаил Саакашвили и его команда

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Re: Президент Грузии - Михаил Саакашвили и его команда

Сообщение irakly » 26 сен 2013, 15:03

MrR писал(а): более азиатской страной, с населением низкой культуры и далеким от европейской ментальностью

MrR писал(а):Спасение грузин только в России!!

А в России высокая европейская культура и ментельность?
Что-бы спастись от дикарства нужно равняться не на Россию, а на Европу!
ძალა ერთობაშია!
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Re: Президент Грузии - Михаил Саакашвили и его команда

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MrR писал(а):Россия столетиями вас кормила и продолжает это делать сейчас.

Грузины перекормлены Россией
Валар дохаэрис

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Re: Президент Грузии - Михаил Саакашвили и его команда

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irakly писал(а):Что-бы спастись от дикарства нужно равняться не на Россию, а на Европу!


Здесь ты лукавишь. Именно Россия принесла ''Европу'' в Грузию (18-19 век) :mi_ga_et:

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Re: Президент Грузии - Михаил Саакашвили и его команда

Сообщение Ling » 26 сен 2013, 15:28

Kobuletely писал(а):
IrakliGe писал(а):Он рассказал, что накануне при встрече в ООН Владимир Янукович жаловался ему, Саакашвили, на то, какое давление оказывает на него Россия

Или Миша дурак или Янук специально это слил,чтобы Миша озвучил,если первое,то это очередное доказательство того,какой Миша нулевый дипломат.

Первоисточник:"Do you think that the electoral defeat of the forces that led the Orange
Revolution in Ukraine has led the Kremlin to take a softer approach to this
country? To the contrary. The government lead by Viktor Yanoukovich is under
permanent attack, a commercial war has been launched against Ukraine ahead of
the European Summit of Vilnius and Russian officials now speak openly about
dismembering this nation".

Mr. President,
Your Excellencies,
Distinguished Delegates,
It is a great honor to represent again my beloved nation at this rostrum.
During the past decade, as I had the privilege to address this hall, Georgia has
moved from a failed state to a market democracy.
We have experienced both advances and setbacks, both breakthroughs and
mistakes. But the world has been able to witness the constant commitment to
freedom ofthe Georgian people.
I ask you today to once more hear the voice of a nation that transcends political,
social, and religious differences in a common love for freedom.
A voice that-·despite all the problems we have encountered and the challenges
we still have to overcome-is full ofhope.
And, looking at our world today, I do think that this voice of hope is needed.
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The optimism ofthe early 1990s-when the spread of liberal and democratic
values seemed natural-when the End of History had been proclaimed -and
when the United Nations was set to become the heart and the soul of a world
finally at peace - this optimism of the 1990s has been crushed by a wave of
pessimism and cynicism.
The world is not at peace. Humankind has not reconciled with itself. And the
UN did not become the soul or the heart of a united globe.
Western civilization, once triumphant, is now trying to tackle a deep economic,
social, and mental crisis.
In Eastern Europe, the colored revolutions are challenged by the forces they had
defeated a few years ago.
In the Middle East, the glorious images of the cheering crowds of Cairo and
Tunis have been replaced by the horrendous videos ofthe gassed children of
Damascus.
There are many good reasons to be disillusioned.
But should the dogmatic optimism of the 90s be replaced by an equally
dogmatic pessimism-by a sense of resignation that suffocates hope?
Should the fact that the expansion of democracy and freedom turns out to
require profound struggle -should this lead us to renounce our beliefs and our
principles?
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I came here today to share the hopes ofmy nation, and to speak out against this
ambient fatalism.
I came here to address those who doubt, those who hesitate, those who are
tempted to give in.
If the West is outdated, then why do millions of Poles, Czech, Estonians,
Romanians, and others cherish so much the day they entered NATO? And why
are millions of Ukrainians, Georgians, Moldovans, and others desperately
knocking on the doors ofthe European Union?
If freedom is no longer fashionable, how do we explain that the suicide of an
unknown citizen in a remote Tunisian town has changed the map of the world?
No.
History did not come to an end in 1989 or 1991 and it never will.
But freedom is still its motor and its horizon.
Everywhere, men and women who want to live in freedom are confronted by the
forces of tyranny.
The question is: are we going to be actors or spectators in this confrontation?
Distinguished delegates,
Ladies and gentlemen,
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As I speak, the Eastern European countries aspiring to join the European family
of free and democratic nations are facing constant pressures and threats.
Armenia has been cornered, Moldova is being blockaded, Ukraine is under
attack, Azerbaijan faces extraordinary pressure, and Georgia is occupied...
Why?
Because an old Empire is trying to reclaim its bygone borders. And "borders" is
actually not the right word, since this Empire - be it the Russian Empire, the
Soviet Union, the Russian Federation, or the Eurasian Union - never had
borders. It only had margins.
I came today to speak in the name ofthese margins.
Unlike most nations, the Russian Federation has no interest in having stable
states around it.
Neighboring countries in constant turmoil is what the Kremlin is seeking.
It rejects the very idea of strong governments in Georgia, Ukraine, or Moldova,
even ones that try to be friendly to its interests.
I was never a great fan of what the French call "La langue de bois", but as my
second term nears its end, I feel more than before the urge to speak my mind.
So let us be concrete.
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Do you think that Vladimir Putin wants Armenia to decisively triumph over
Azerbaijan, for instance? No. This would make Armenia too strong and
potentially too independent.
Do you think then that the contrary is true, that Moscow wants Baku to prevail
over Erevan? Obviously not. The current rise of a modernized Azerbaijan is a
nightmare for the Russian leaders.
No, they do not want anyone to prevail and the conflict itselfis their objective,
since it keeps both nations dependent and blocks their integration into the
European common space.
Do you think that the electoral defeat of the forces that led the Orange
Revolution in Ukraine has led the Kremlin to take a softer approach to this
country?
To the contrary. The government lead by Viktor Yanoukovich is under
permanent attack, a commercial war has been launched against Ukraine ahead of
the European Summit of Vilnius and Russian officials now speak openly about
dismembering this nation.
Do you think the Kremlin would agree to discuss the de-occupation of Abkhazia
and South Ossetia, now that the government has changed in Tbilisi? Far from it!
The annexation of Georgian lands by Russian troops continues.
Yesterday, the occupants have expelled again Georgian citizens from their
homes and villages, the homes and villages oftheir parents and grand-parents. In
daylight and in total impunity.
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Despite the friendly statements made by the new Georgian government in the
recent weeks and months, the Russian military keeps advancing its positions,
dividing communities with new barbwires, threatening our economy, moving
towards the vital Baku-Supsa pipeline, approaching more and more the main
highway of Georgia and thus putting into question the very sustainability of our
country.
The hostility of Vladimir Putin and his team towards the government I had the
privilege to lead for almost a decade was not based on personal hatreds or
cultural misunderstandings. Any such interpretation was just a smo\kescreen.
My predecessor, President Shevarnadze, came from the highest Soviet
nomenklatura. He was returned to power in Georgia with direct Russian help in
the 90s, through a military coup. He was well known for his Soviet diplomatic
skills unlike me. And yet, Russia has constantly undermined his authority and
even tried to assassinate him several times.
This is not about Gamsakourdia, Shevarnadze, Saakashvili, or I vanishvili
Those names actually do not matter when the stakes are so high.
This is about the possibility-or not-oftrue statehood in Georgia, and beyond.
Why?
Because the current Russian authorities know perfectly well that-as soon as
strong institutions are built in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, or any other placeas
soon as functioning states emerge-such institutions, such states will reflect
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and enforce the will of their people, which is to become fully independent and
move towards Europe.
The Georgian experience of successful reforms and the creation of a functioning
state was therefore considered to be a virus --- a virus that could and would
contaminate the whole post-Soviet region --- a virus that should be eliminated,
by every means possible.
This is why the Georgian nation has suffered an embargo, a war, an invasion,
and an occupation-all since 2006.
But this also is why the resistance ofthe Georgian people and the resilience of
the Georgian democracy are ofthe outmost importance for the entire region.
Ladies and gentlemen,
The efforts to roll back the advances of the EU and NATO in our region progress
based on the will of our people - are becoming ever more intense.
These efforts have a name: the Eurasian Union.
The Eurasian Union has been shaped as an alternative to the European Union
and unveiled by Vladimir Putin as the main project of his new presidency.
Because European and Euro-Atlantic integration take a lot of time and require
tremendous efforts-because there are moments when you might think you are
pursuing a mirage-because the threats become so strong, the pressures so
direct, while the promises seem so far away-some people in our region might
fall victim to fatigue and ask themselves: why not?
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Today, I want precisely to explore this "why not?"
Much more than with a choice of foreign policy or of international alliances, our
nations are confronted with a choice of society, a choice of life.
Our people have to decide whether they accept to live in a world of fear and
crime // a world in which differences are perceived as threats and minorities as
punching bags // a world in which opponents are facing selective justice or
beatings // a world, Ladies and gentlemen, that we all know very well in our
region since this is the world from which we are coming.
The Eurasian Union is both our recent past and the future shaped for us by some
ex-KGB officers in Moscow.
On the opposite side, our revived traditions and our centuries old aspirations
lead us towards another world called Europe.
European 'societies are far from perfect and there too, you can have fears,
doubts, angers, hatreds even.
But there, meritocracy prevails over nepotism, tolerance is a fundament of
public life, current opponents are the future ministers and not the prisoners to be
or the enemies to beat.
The choice - when it is put like that - is so obvious for the people of Eastern
Europe that some Kremlin strategists (they call themselves politechnologists)
have decided to cancel the truth and have shaped lies that they are spreading
throughout Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova and many other places.
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Their mouthpieces in our respective countries - this conscious or unconscious
5th column - identify the European Union with the destruction of family values,
the erosion ofnational traditions and the promotion of gays and lesbians.
Strangely, in recent years and even more in recent months, we hear in Tbilisi,
Kiev, or Chisinau the same ugly music that was first or\chestrated in Moscowwe
hear that our traditions are collapsing under the influence of the West, that
Christian holidays will be replaced by gay pride events, and Churches by
multicultural Disney Lands-we hear that our orthodox identity is under
threat. ..
And after all - here we come - we hear that we share with our former masters a
common respect for decency and traditions.
Are we so naive to believe these lies, as other generations did, allowing our
sovereignty to be kidnapped?
Are we so unfair to our ancestors to think that their memory would be honored
by attacks on mosques or some pogroms?
Are we so unaware of our own History that we allow it to repeat itself
endlessly?
When we hear the fake music of the orthodox brotherhood sung by Russian
imperialists, can't we hear the true voice of the Patriarch Kirion who was
assassinated or the eternal voice of the Patriarch Ambrosi Khelaya who was
tortured during days and weeks only because he appealed to the Geneva
Conference against the invasion ofhis country? Are we so deaf as not to hear
the voices of the killed bishops and priests? Are we so uneducated that we do
not recall who has repainted our churches and erased our sacred frescos?
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Are we so blind today not to see the destruction of our churches in the occupied
territories?
We need to know our History. And our History teaches us that tolerance is the
basis for sovereignty in our region. It is not only a moral duty: it is an issue of
national security.
We need to know our History and understand that the same old imperialistic
principle - divide to rule - is applied today as it was two centuries ago.
Looking at our region today, those who have some knowledge of the Caucasian
history might remember the Armenian - Azerbaijani bloodshed of 1905, directly
created by the tsarist administration, and compare it to the beginning of the
conflict in the Karabach in the late 1980s.
They might recall - as I do too well - the beginning ofthe war in Abkhazia in
the early 1990s, when Georgian paramilitary groups were getting their weapons
from the same Russian troops who were actually leading the Abkhaz militia and
bringing in Chechen mercenaries in order to kill any form of solidarity between
nations ofthe North and the South Caucasus.
Just as they were sending - for the same reason - more than one century before Georgian
officers at the forefront oftheir wars against Chechens, Ingush or
Daghestani.
We could also look at other margins throughout the times, we could look at
Poland or Ukraine, and we would see the same pictures. Everywhere, the
Empire has always inflamed the relations between subjugated people and
separated them by a wall of fanatical antagonism.
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It used towork, unfortunately. But what is even more unfortunate is that it is
still working today.
Ladies and gentlemen,
Distinguished delegates,
The European Union - the greatest political success of recent decades - has
been built on three pillars, which also could be characterized as three rejections:
the rejection of the extreme nationalism that had led Europe to the collective
suicide oftwo world wars and the horrors ofNazism -the rejection of
communism that was threatening to spread throughout the continent-and, in
the end, the rejection of colonialism and imperialism.
It took time for the French and British Empires to accept this third rejection, but
giving up their colonies was the price to pay for the modernization of their
economy and the development oftheir democracy, and also for the European
unification to actually be realized.
The Eurasian Union is based on the exact opposite premises.
It is fuelled by intolerance, it is lead by old KGB structures and it is shaped to
revive an old Empire.
Of course, joining the Eurasian Union is therefore very easy. There are no
social, economic, or political criteria to be met: becoming a colony, in fact,
requires no effort at all. Passivity and mediocrity are the only requirements.
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On the other hand, to get into a real Union, there is no alternative to making a
Herculean effort and meeting exact criteria - because such principles are
precisely what create the Union.
So, to those who doubt, I tell that it is precisely because the EU demands effort
and imposes criteria-it is precisely because it does not seek to absorb us (while
the other one is dreaming about it) - that the choice should be obvious.
But there is an even better reason for saying that the choice is obvious.
The choice is obvious because the Russian project is doomed to fail.
No Empire is sustainable today, and certainly not the Russian one.
Ifwe look at History, France and UK have lost their colonies not only because
these colonies fought for their independence, but also because people in Paris
and London ultimately did not believe anymore in their Empire.
Exactly the same is happening in Russia nowadays.
The imperial dream is being rejected first at its margins as we have seen.
But, most crucially perhaps, the idea of the Empire is rejected at its very center.
Such a rejection does not manifest itself only in public protests or in the rising
polls ofthe opposition in the main cities of Russia.
It expresses itself in the universal cynicism of Russian elites towards Putin's
eurasian VISIOn.
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The very people who are supposed to serve it do not believe in the viability of
this project.
Rejected at its margins, rejected at its center, the imperialistic path will come to
a dead end, the Eurasian Union will fail and Russia will- after all- become a
nation state with borders instead of margins.
Then, it will start to seek stable relations with stable neighbors.
Then, cooperation will replace confrontation.
It will happen, and much sooner than people think, to the benefit ofthe margins,
but most of all to the benefit of the Russian people themselves.
It will happen because the imperial project is absurd for a generation of Russian
citizens who are among the most enthusiastic users of Internet in the world.
It will happen because the endless resources provided by the revenues of oil and
gas are challenged by the perspectives offered by the exploitation of shale gas
and shale oil.
It will happen because gas alone does not replace economic modernization.
It will happen because ofthe corruption and the absence ofjustice.
It will happen because entire regions have been alienated by discriminations and
violence, because the people of Chechnya, Ingushettia, Daghestan, Tatarstan and
many other places have been so much persecuted that they do not feel part of
any common project with Moscow.
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It will happen because frustrations, angers, hatreds are too strong and the
unifying ideal too absent.
It will happen. Not in the coming decades, but in the coming years.
Few years from now, Vladimir Putin will have left the Kremlin and vanished
from the Russian politics.
Russian citizens will remember him as a ghost from the old times, the times of
the Empire - the times of corruption and oppression.
Nobody knows whether this process will be calm or violent, whether his
successor will be nationalistic or liberal, or both together, but what matters is
something else: Russian will no longer be an Empire, it will become finally a
normal nation state.
This is the horizon we should prepare for, all together.
Meanwhile, as our region will remain an area of confrontation, the formerly
captive nations should unite their strengths instead of cultivating their divisions.
Some leaders, some countries in the past had understood that the freedom of one
was depending on the freedom of all subjugated nations, like the Poland of
Pilsudski that was inviting all the oppressed people to unite under the flag of
polish independence.
But never had our ancesters benefited from a vast and powerful enough force
that had understood its strategic interest was to preserve the sovereignty of each
of our nation. Today, this force exists: it is the European Union.
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As we come closer to the Vilnius Eastern Partnership Summit, I would like to
reiterate a call that I have made several times in the recent years.
By launching the Eastern Partnership, as a response to the 2008 invasion of
Georgia, the ED has offered to our nations a platform tocooperate under its
benevolent umbrella. We should invest much more in it. We should develop
common projects, first and foremost focusing on the necessary reforms that we
should carry on together.
Because reforms mean - for all of us - statehood and independence.
Catherine the 2nd knew it well and - when Poland started to implement
successfully an ambitious program of reforms following the precepts ofthe
French or British Enlightment - she wrote a long and secrete letter to Friedrich
the Great.
This letter was and remains one ofthe most impressive expression of the nature
and the strategy of the imperialistic project.
It reads that ongoing reforms are dangerous both for Russia and Prussia because
they will tum Poland into an true State, that they need to be stopped and that
Poland should be attacked and dismembered before they are fully implemented.
This letter will not sound unfamiliar to those who know how much Vladimir
Putin was loathing the Georgian experience throughout this last decade.
For the first time, an efficient nation State was being built in the Caucasus and
the reforms had to be crushed before they would bear all their fruits.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
Unity should be our rule in Eastern Europe, including in the divided Caucasus.
I have spoken about the beginnings ofthe war in Abkhazia, I could have
recalled an older scene that is very symbolic of the History of the Caucasus.
At the end of the rebellion lead by Shamyl against the Russian Empire, after
Shamyl had surrendered himself, the last Chechen leader still fighting - named
Baysongour - had been wounded and captured.
As they were going to hang him, the Russian officers gathered a crowd of
Daghestani men to witness the execution. They ordered one of them to remove
the chair on which Baysongour was standing in order kill him.
By doing so, they wanted to fuel the local vendettas and oppose the people.
Seeing this, Baysongour moved the chair himself, committing a forbidden
suicide and preserving the relations between neighbors.
But for one failure, how many successes this strategy has encountered among
the Caucasian nations?
It needs to come to an end. And this is why I have launched several projects
during my Presidency reinforcing the people-to-people contacts between North
and South Caucasus, projects focusing mostly on education and on University
exchanges.
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We need to build on those small efforts.
We need to prepare for the times when the Empire collapses. So that its legacy
of hatreds is swiftly overcome.
And we, as citizens of Georgia, need to prepare for the times when Russian
troops will leave our occupied regions, when Moscow will withdraw from
Tskhinvali and Sukhumi.
We need to prepare ourselves to welcome back our Ossetian and Abkhaz fellow
citizens as brothers and sisters, and not as enemies.
Because these times will come sooner than we think.
Ladies and gentlemen,
As my second term nears its end, I take pride in the many accomplishments that
Georgia achieved during my tenure in office.
We took Georgia literally out of darkness, brought unprecedented transparency
into our public service, put our children back to schools and took the gangs out
ofthem. We have brought our nation closer than ever to its European dream and
worked tirelessly to renew the spirit of tolerance that guided Georgia in our
glorious past.
We did many good things. But I realize that some of these things were done at a
very high cost. In our rush to impose a new reality, against the background of
internal and external threats, we have cut comers and made mistakes.
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We went sometimes too far and other times not far enough.
I acknowledge fully my responsibility in all these shortcomings and I sincerely
care for all those who have felt that they did not benefit enough from our
work-or even that they were victims of our radical methods.
I want to tell to all Georgian citizens-to those who supported our project, our
policies and our party and to those who rejected them-I want to tell them how
proud I am of their maturity and their bravery, how humble I feel looking at the
sacrifices and the efforts they have made.
Weare and should remain a nation united in a common love for freedom and
dignity.
We are and should remain a nation united in the deepest respect for the
sacrifices made by our soldiers in Afghanistan, a nation sharing the same sorrow
when they lose their lives and taking the same pride in their bravery.
We are and should remain a nation united in our historical destiny to join the
European family of democratic nations, the family we should never have been
separated from, our family.
The path of the Georgian people towards freedom, regional unity and European
integration is far from over and I will continue to dedicate every day of my life
to its success, as a proud citizen of a proud nation.
Thank you

О "приватных жалобах Януковича" - М.Н.Саакашвили не сказал ни слова..

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Сообщение MrR » 26 сен 2013, 15:29

Ну посмотрите статистику частных денежных переводов в Грузию. Больше всего денег грузины зарабатывают и переводят из РФ, по несколько десятков миллионов долларов ежемесячно. Нормально там живут, развиваются, работают. Возьмите для примера грузинских артистов, врачей и других проживающих в России. А в странах Евросоюза большинство грузин сидят на пособии как якобы беженцы или воруют в составе криминальных группировок - это для вас европейский путь развития? жить на пособие и воровать это ваш выбор? ну да хотя для 90% населения Грузии это действительно то, чего они хотят. Это ваш выбор, но это деградация нации

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Сообщение ивс » 26 сен 2013, 15:29

Мне без разницы, что там Миша говорил. Правда. Точнее сказать, - мы все прекрасно знает о чём именно он говорил с трибуны ООН.
Меня очень обрадовал именно факт бегства росс.делегации.

Сам не знаю почему. Просто обрадовал и порадовал.

Миша кочах!!!!! :cool_cool: :cool_cool: :cool_cool: :cool_cool:

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Сообщение IrakliGe » 26 сен 2013, 15:31

MrR писал(а):Россия столетиями вас кормила и продолжает это делать сейчас.
MrR,вам бы со своими глубокомысленными выводами куда подальше податься.Кормили она нас :bleat1: Вам бы своё население прокормить с такими ресурсами,но безмозглостью тех,кого вы каждый раз снова и снова выбираете себе на голову.
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Россия коверкает их менталитет,вот и вся культура.Многие там присутствующие были бы хорошей подмогой пятой колонне на местах.
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Вы и Росссию не назовёте,да и не захотите,как и многие русские
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Re: Президент Грузии - Михаил Саакашвили и его команда

Сообщение MrR » 26 сен 2013, 15:41

IrakliGe, не самый высокий уровень жизни был в Грузии, в составе СССР?? ну или по крайней мере один из самых высоких. За чей счет жили при СССР? на дотации, т.е. кормили вас. Не хера себе оккупация да? Вас бы сейчас так оккупировали как Цхинвали или Абхазию, за счастье было бы для многих. Сидят тут грузины на форуме из эмиграции флудят или 2-3 из Грузии кто как то пристроился, и не в курсах как народ в Грузии живет, а я знаю, получше вас

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Re: Президент Грузии - Михаил Саакашвили и его команда

Сообщение IrakliGe » 26 сен 2013, 15:53

MrR писал(а):IrakliGe, не самый высокий уровень жизни был в Грузии, в составе СССР?? ну или по крайней мере один из самых высоких. За чей счет жили при СССР? на дотации
Ну да,а сами оставались отсталыми ? Очень вы хотели чтобы мы жили в самых лучших условиях.
Ещё раз - за своими приглядывайте и поднимайте свой уровень,нахрен вы кому здесь сдались.
MrR писал(а):Сидят тут грузины на форуме из эмиграции флудят или 2-3 из Грузии кто как то пристроился, и не в курсах как народ в Грузии живет, а я знаю, получше вас
Что может знать квартирант ?
MrR,езжайте на свою родину и там находите себе работу,а не кормитесь там,будете при высоком уровне жить
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Re: Президент Грузии - Михаил Саакашвили и его команда

Сообщение Уралец » 26 сен 2013, 15:58

Всплеск патриотизма гонит круги по воде. :-)
С Россией следует прервать всяческие связи- кандидат в президенты
http://www.apsny.ge/2013/pol/1380234413.php

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